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01 June 2009 @ 11:52 pm
RIP Dr Tiller  
America, you sadden me. And to those churches who have preached hate against this man and his clinic for years, you are to blame, don't pretend otherwise.

In other news, the last survivor of the Titanic has died, which is one of those odd pieces of trivia that should mean nothing, and yet is still sad. Biscuit the spare cat has returned from wherever she has been hiding for the last week, and whoever cast Calista Flockhart as a character younger than Rachel Griffiths and only slightly older than Balthazar Getty is a cruel, cruel bastard.
libby_drew on June 1st, 2009 02:18 pm (UTC)
I'm crushed.

Calista is doomed to forever be Ally McBeal in my head. It wouldn't matter is she ended up playing a 24th century space pirate with a thing for dangly earrings and really big ray guns.

Ally McBeal. *nods*
blamebramptonblamebrampton on June 1st, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
The reporting on the murder here says that his clinic is one of only three in the US where late-term abortion is performed. This staggers me.

There are 300 million-odd Americans. Of the half who are likely to be pregnant at some point, that is at the very least hundreds of thousands of cases of cancer during pregnancy, of late-diagnosed serious birth defects that will lead to a life of suffering for any infant born.

How can it be a better option to kill a foetus with chemotherapy or radiation if a mother decides she wants to live? How can it be kinder to have a live birth that sees a baby go straight onto a respirator and stay there for its short, agonising existence?

Everything else aside, have none of the lunatics who think it's all right to preach hate against people like Dr Tiller ever BEEN to a farm? Why should people be accorded fewer rights in their suffering than animals?

I never saw Ally McBeal, and for this I am grateful. Though Pirate!Flockhart is an amusing idea ... I fear her space parrot would eat her.
libby_drew on June 1st, 2009 02:37 pm (UTC)
A pregnant woman diagnosed with cancer makes the decision herself as to whether she will abort or carry to term. Regardless, here, those procedures are performed in a hospital, not a clinic.

I fear her space parrot would eat her.
And thanks for this. Now it will be festering in my head all day. ;-p

blamebramptonblamebrampton on June 1st, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
Well, that's something.

And you're very welcome. I only wish her name were actually Catherine so I could use the Pieces of Kate parrot joke I have been carrying around for years ...
joanwilder~RaeWhitjoanwilder on June 1st, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
I'm always saddened to see something like this happen--not the way to settle differences in ideology.

Btw, there are provisions for late term abortions in the U.S. when they're medically necessary, and I don't have a problem with that at all, and neither do many people who are against late-term abortions in general. I had the misfortune to assist at one, and it's a horrific procedure, and the thought that it'd be done 'electively' without good reason is abhorrent and irresponsible. The one I was involved with was merely a matter of the woman leaving it too long for a not very good reason.

But genetic defects, mother's life endangered, damage to baby due to neonatal carcinogens--those are routinely done in hospitals all the time.
Admiral of Strange Shipsnoeon on June 2nd, 2009 05:29 am (UTC)
You've raised a question I've been wondering about. His clinic performed elective late-term abortions and women would have had the option, if deemed medically necessary, to have abortions at the hospital? With the kerfuffle about pharmacists not handing out "morning after" pills, I'm wondering if there were practical difficulties facing women who needed their care deemed medically necessary. Not that it makes murder any less murder (Dr. Tiller's that is).
joanwilder~RaeWhitjoanwilder on June 2nd, 2009 09:20 am (UTC)
Nursing professionals, as well as others (pharmacists, doctors, O.R. techs, etc) have the right to refuse to participate in procedures that are considered morally ambiguous/conflict with their own ethical beliefs. This is usually not a problem, as there are always people who don't have those objections and can step up. Note that this does not apply to emergency, life-saving treatment provided, say, in an ER. In the case of procedures where the life of the mother/baby is at risk, there're are specialty OB/GYN groups that handle only this type of patient.

The question of pharmacists refusing to dispense the morning after pill is more problematic, and although much has been made by the media about this issue, for the large majority of pharmacists it's a question of liability, as they're required to counsel the individual before dispensing the drug pak. Plan B, if given to a pregnant woman, can cause major congenital/genetic defects, so it's a gray area. What if the woman is hoping to use it to abort instead of prevent pregnancy? Who's liable when she carries a pregnancy to term and there're problems? From the pharmacists I've spoken with when I worked for a major healthcare insurer, this was their main reservation, not the idea of emergency contraception per se. In the U.S, at least, I think much of this problem would go away if they just take the pharmacist out of the loop.
Bryoney: when people do stuffbryoneybrynn on June 1st, 2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I find this sort of thing difficult to even discuss. I actually wrote a huge long comment and then deleted it because preaching to the choir and all. *sigh* People suck.
Shivshiv5468 on June 1st, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
I've always thought that actions like that proceed from a pronounced lack of faith. If God exists, and there is heaven and hell, then presumably he can take care of it all.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on June 1st, 2009 04:29 pm (UTC)
Couldn't agree more.

And the fact that the vast majority of ova are happily discarded by biology, along with a conservative estimate of a third of pregnancies given up on by the body long before the owner of said body is aware of them, leads me to believe that any god who exists is comfortable with the concept that every gamete is not sacred.
Mific: weird catmific on June 2nd, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
Large swathes of the US population are still profoundly fundamentalist i.e. non-rational. It's a worry.

And as a besotted cat-owned-person, I'm tempted to say something really silly like "Biscuit was never a spare for Harry!" (misquoting the Twoseekers comm motto!) Am glad she's back, anyway.
Admiral of Strange Shipsnoeon on June 2nd, 2009 05:35 am (UTC)
There are a lot of fundamentalists who are not murderers. And technically, Fundamentalism is a Protestant movement, even though the usage for ultraconservative factions in any religion has spread.

Extremism is abhorrent. And the US does tend to be extreme. Over all sorts of things.

Yay for cats. *goes to snuggle* V. important to remember cats at times like these.
Admiral of Strange Shipsnoeon on June 2nd, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
I find the fact that he was gunned down in his own church passing out church bulletins astonishing. I don't know why, it's no worse than the HORRIBLE killing of Dr. Slepian at his home, but it's still... *shakes head*

It's the tacit acceptance of violence that gets me, the unwillingness of the middle to break with the ideology that leads to hate and murder. Sometimes these sorts of killings do cause a wider liberal or even moderate swath to break away, but then people forget. I'm truly sickened.