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11 January 2010 @ 07:40 pm
Hee!  
Mary McKillop was an Australian nun, who was excommunicated for basically being a complete Bolshie ratbag, but was nevertheless pretty cool as nuns go. She was re-communicated (what IS that called, Catholics?) before she died, and is now about to become Australia's first saint.

To become a saint, you need to be responsible for two 'miracles', and as far as I can tell, the vetting process for such miracles is quite stringent. (Having said that, it is impossible to tell, because the Catholic church is very secretive about these things.) I think it is quite likely that a sequence of events that Catholics would call a miracle took place, because in a very small percentage of cancer cases, people do actually just get better. All of my doctor and medical friends have mentioned it. It's not the sort of thing that happens at levels you want to count on, and there's probably a perfectly good scientific explanation that we just don't know about yet, but calling it a miracle is as good a way as dealing with it as any other if it brings the people involved joy.

And if the people who benefit from such luck are devout and have brought their communities together in prayer to a grumpy teaching nun who regularly frustrated bishops, it's not crazy for them to make a link. Though I would point out that such 'miracles' statistically occur in atheist and agnostic patients at the same rate. Though if you want to believe that's God screwing with our non-believing minds, I won't hold it against you.

However, the point of all this is that the ABC, in covering the story of the extremely nice woman who has just outed herself as the second miracle, quoted Cancer Australia's Prof Ian Olver: 'We would encourage people to believe that prayer will most often work through conventional medical treatment ...'

Ah scientist tact. Bless.

If you want to know more about Mary, BTW, you can read a decent short bio here. She was a bit more of a radical than it lets on, but you'll be able to read between the lines.

Finally, kestrelsparhawk  and lllazlllong ! I hope you both have a wonderful day!
 
 
 
LadyDark1 ~ A  Harry and Draco Slash Addict.Periodldydark1 on January 11th, 2010 01:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sharing.
I love reading about things like this.
Sarah: Nice Hair, Clever, Has Her Own Gun: Catholicism ~ by <lj user=" title="Sarah: Nice Hair, Clever, Has Her Own Gun: Catholicism ~ by " />thenotoriousso4 on January 11th, 2010 06:28 pm (UTC)
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I am Catholic, but have no idea what you would call a re-communication. It's very hard these days to get ex-communicated, so I'm sure it's even harder to get re-communicated. :)

Miracles have to be strictly documented, with no outside help. Pope John Paul II already has one Miracle to his name, I think. A nun was suddenly cured of Parkinson's disease after praying for his intervention.

So, it isn't always cancer. And it isn't always medical cures. Everyone just has to agree that it's Miraculous and it has to be well documented.

Good on Australia for hopefully getting it's first saint! I've been waiting forever for our Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha to become our first Native American saint!


ETA: Also, I do love hearing these stories as well. Whatever reason it happened, it's still miraculous.

Edited at 2010-01-11 06:29 pm (UTC)
Oalethiaxx on January 12th, 2010 12:25 am (UTC)
I think there have been a fair number of studies on intercessory prayer healing, with (unsurprisingly) mixed results. An interesting endeavor, though it seems a bit futile with all the unknowns....

Lol @ the Olver quote. Don't throw out your meds just yet ;)
Lisbet Karlsdottirlisbet on January 12th, 2010 06:05 am (UTC)
the ABC, in covering the story of the extremely nice woman who has just outed herself as the second miracle, quoted Cancer Australia's Prof Ian Olver: 'We would encourage people to believe that prayer will most often work through conventional medical treatment ...'

hee! That reminds me of the instructions that come along with so many of the non-prescription weight loss drugs on the market -- they say something like "this product works best when used in conjunction with a sensible diet and exercise program." LOL...why not just do the diet and exercise, then!

I do love the story about the nun, though. Am fascinated with all things RC, and it's cool to hear about miracles and such...