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21 December 2012 @ 12:38 am
They are showing the adverts for the American Sherlock thingy here …  
I am going to hate it, aren't I?

In other news, the lovely theodoraleft left many thanks for everyone who helped out with the Thanksgiving shopping last month. She also left the thanks last month, but I have been writing stories about bamboo and compost and god knows what else and burning my thumb and learning to play Cole Porter in E flat on the ukulele, not to mention very, very crap at doing anything in a timely fashion. Thanks, though! SHE was totally timely!

For anyone worried about December 21st, the world has not ended here in the future. It won't end over there in the past, either. Though if I have to go into the shopping centre opposite my work to buy salad for lunch and brave the bonkers crowds again tomorrow, it may end for one or two very specific people. I feel absolutely certain there must be a way to commit homicide by red pepper, if one is sufficiently motivated! Probably best to pack some extra porridge …

Keep out of the madding crowds, dear flist! If you haven't bought your gifts yet, tell everyone they were delayed in the post and buy them in the sales!
Glitter Me Timbers: mcr - frank xmas ornamentciel_vert on December 20th, 2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
You mean Elementary? I hope not, it's a really great show! I love it! The Holmes/Watson dynamic is really amazing, Jonny's Sherlock is perfectly manic and I absolutely adore Lucy's Joan. But it still might not be your cup of tea! I just really love this spin on the old tale. (Then again, I'm not comparing it to anything because I don't watch the BBC version.)
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 20th, 2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
That gives me some hope. The adverts they're running here are basically:

Sherlock: Look at me! I am terribly clever and eccentric! And more so than the average British person! Though, of course, being British gives me a head start on both.

Watson: Woe! I am depressed! I killed someone, because god forbid a woman surgeon be competent or indeed a war hero as Watsons have traditionally been. I mean, even Grey's Anatomy had a war hero female surgeon, and it's a cold day in hell when they are flying the flag for equitable representations of women in TV, though I suppose they've not put any pressure on the two lesbians to be size zeroes now I think on it … sorry, what was I saying? Oh yes, WOE! And also ANGST!

Sherlock: I am going to pose manfully and tell you I am super-brilliant more often than the most recent Doctor Who.

Watson: I can't stand him. Also, you're SO brilliant.

Sherlock: Cheers. I know.

Me: AAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE! [Flees, wishing I'd thought to record Go Girls so I could get my crap Kiwi TV fix without the ads.]
宝井かりん: 羽生結弦 - winged arrowtakarai_karin on December 20th, 2012 02:03 pm (UTC)
I haven't watched Elementary but I'm planning to since I love Lucy Liu. The BBC Sherlock fandom in tumblr has been repulsive about it though, and Freeman's comment has made me sideeye him forever. So much that right now I'm just waiting for the new season and an avoiding everything else in relation to BBCS.

Else they'll turn me off the whole thing.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 20th, 2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
I was just saying to Ciel that I think it may be the adverts really putting people off, because they're so 'Look at me! I'm British! It's SO ECCENTRIC!' which is just irritating when you are British.

Lucy Liu is AWESOME and I love the idea of her as Watson. But again, the adverts have made her seem all passive and angsty and not the kick-arse character that makes a good Watson or indeed a good Liu.

It may actually be a fantastic show, but I have to start fleeing from the ads if I am going to be able to watch it at all because they are a steaming pile of pig manure. (Not even horse manure, which is comparatively nice.)
宝井かりん: 大ちゃん - sweet princetakarai_karin on December 20th, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Ah yeah, I can see how that can be a bit off putting. I'm totally fine with people not seeing it as their cup of tea or, having seen it, hated it or whatever. But I get really annoyed at those that are busy pearl-clutching over Watson being a woman HOMG.

Watson was a robot once, their argument is invalid. (tumblr can be very bad for my blood pressure, I swear)

Apropos of nothing, Google just told me today (yesterday where I am, I guess) is the 200th anniversary of the Grimm's fairy tale. I feel like I should read something to celebrate ^^
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 20th, 2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
Totally down with Watson being a woman, especially one that looks like Lucy Liu, but she has to be a real gung-ho, capable Watson! Even the Granada lawks-a-mercy Watson could shoot straight, save lives and deliver a keen right hook when required. Anything less than that and I will be outraged on behalf of women as well as Watsons!

Have you ever read Mrs Holmes of Baker Street? I have not, because I've not been able to get my hands on a copy, but it posits an argument based on textual evidence that Holmes was a woman. Apparently, it's fab.

As are the Grimm stories; wolves, blood, sex with corpses – all the good things kids today miss out on!
FEELS TERRORIST!: Sherlock Jim Welpmomebie on December 20th, 2012 03:35 pm (UTC)
You might. I find it okay, but not in that way in which it really ties in to the Holmes mythology for me. Plus it's kind of a procedural thing and I'm not really into those. But I like Lucy Liu's face and JLM isn't bad.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
Their parents were massive fans and named their children cruelly. It was inevitable they would meet ;-)

Yeah, Liu is pretty fab, which is why I was v cross when it looked as though she was having to be all sweet and passive. Since this is apparently not the case, I'll give it a go!
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blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting from flistees, which is a much better vibe than the one I was getting from the ads. I think I'll give it a try, I can always turn it off!
chamekke: A2A_bowies_in_space_by_bella_farfallachamekke on December 20th, 2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
I watched the pilot of Elementary and found it deadly dull. Maybe it improved after the pilot (that's common enough), but the characters didn't grab me sufficiently to make me want to see it again. YMMV, of course.

Glad to hear that Dec. 21st hasn't heralded the end of the world where you are. Mind you, as the OH points out, it's not Dec. 21st in the Yucatan yet. Meh, whatever. *remembers the Harmonic Convergence of 1987" *snorts*
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:36 pm (UTC)
I'm told that the first two eps are a bit dire and then it hits its stride. Maybe one to try out on DVD?

We're well into the 22nd here, still alive! And don't even mention that: the number of hippies I had to listen to that year! ARGH!!!!!
Cheryl Dysondysonrules on December 20th, 2012 04:15 pm (UTC)

(Not watching that - I still have two seasons of The Walking Dead to watch and then it will be back from hiatus.)

blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
WE ARE ALL STILL ALIVE! Which is just as well given that both of us have loads of video watching to catch up on :)
Cheryl Dysondysonrules on December 22nd, 2012 04:03 am (UTC)
Also, I have GIFTS to open.

Janey Procrastinatorjaney_p on December 20th, 2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
Haha, love your Christmas shopping advice. :D
I'm happy to say I've got all my presents together already (had since Sunday, yay! ^^). But I only had to get little presents for 4 people. Very manageable. :)
The real work will come around the Christmas days themselves, when I make candy and our favorite cookies for my family.
Not that I'm getting too worked up about that right now, in case the world DOES end before that. No reason to worry needlessly. *giggle*
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
Christmas is just a horror. But I still want to put up some decorations, because it's fun.

I really wish I lived closer to you what with the cookies, but you've given me a good idea: I should make some truffles rather than rely on sewing and flower making!

And HURRAH for non-death!
Janey Procrastinatorjaney_p on December 21st, 2012 04:47 pm (UTC)
If you lived closer, I'd even share the cookies. ;)

As for the end of the world: Somebody said something about 6pm our time which would be about noon for the Mayas. 15 minutes left. :D
And some other people said that the calculations are off by 104 years. How could THAT happen? *shakes head*

Oh well, one of these days, one of them will be right - but then he or she won't even be able to gloat... *giggle*
&helena;uminohikari on December 20th, 2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
I love Elementary! However, I say this as an American, used to our style of TV. And if it were fanfic, I'd categorize it as extremely AU.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe that I should treat it as a show in which the characters just have those names, rather than expecting actual Holmes and Watson. Probably safer!
Loyaulte Me Lie: tell shocolateshocolate on December 20th, 2012 06:07 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't watch it if you paid me.

Let's get that chap that swaps with Cumberbatch, anyway, and make Watson female and Oriental and useless, because women are useless.

And American.

And I have no idea who the actress is, do that doesn't tempt me.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 10:32 am (UTC)
That's my fear about Watson! Although some flistees below suggest it's just the adverts and that she's actually ace.

I think I will give it a try, on the understanding that I expect it to be an American procedural with people named Holmes and Watson by their ACD-loving parents rather than actual Holmes and Watson. If Watson IS perfectly fine and not the patient-murdering simpering Holmes worshiper the ads make her out to be, then that may be fine. If not, I will probably bring my outrage to LJ ;-)

Lucy Liu is actually rather good, despite being in some very trashy films.
rickey_arickey_a on December 20th, 2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
Thank goodness for Australia giving me the heads up on the Apocolypse... although it isn't the 21st in Mayan time zone yet...


blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 10:25 am (UTC)
9.25pm, still alive!
rickey_a: LOLrickey_a on December 21st, 2012 01:59 pm (UTC)
6am PST
here with a nasty head cold
if the world ends can I saty in bed?
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
Yes. I would be happy to write you a note to this effect!
mrsquizzical: aussiedownundermrsquizzical on December 20th, 2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
i have such mixed feelings about elementary. i've been watching it online.

on the one hand i really think lucy liu is gorgeous and amazing, and i have no problems with watson's backstory because watson is supposed to be a little messed up in the confidence department.

i'm eye rolly with how sherlock is just a little too good to be true. he's too likable. it feels (to me) very ~american in that way. he redeems himself too easily every time. :/

my main problem is with the watson dynamic (that might just be my 'stuff' rising to the surface). but i find the whole premise that she's there without his consent and he's just expected to open up to her, and our sympathy is definitely intended to be with her when she's talking about how she's opened up to him and yet he's not playing the game. and just. why should he, seriously? imposed caregiving. just. ugh.

but i still watch it whenever a new episode comes up. :P
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 10:24 am (UTC)
That makes no sense! Watson is supposed to be someone Holmes seeks out! I AM CONFUSED! But I'll probably give it a go anyway ;-)
shu_shu_sleepsshu_shu_sleeps on December 20th, 2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
Just an update on the apocalypse - its now 8.15am in Australia, and no end of the world, so it looks like I'm going to have to brave the shops..... Wish me luck!

blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 10:22 am (UTC)
You are a VERY BRAVE woman! I ran into Broadway for five minutes to grab lunch and was nearly ploughed down. Happily, I am nimble!
auntpurl: holmes genius sociopath gqmfauntpurl on December 20th, 2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
J and I watched the first scene of the pilot episode of Elementary just last night. Sherlock figured out where a corpse was hidden and looked sadly at the body and said, " I hate it when I'm right sometimes." And I turned to J, spluttering with rage, spitting out something like, "NO HE DOESN'T! HE LOVES WHEN HE'S RIGHT! AND HE'S NOT SAD WHEN HE FINDS A RANDOM CORPSE! HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT STRANGERS LIKE THAT! HE'S NOT EMPATHETIC IN THE-"

I think that's about how far I got before J turned it off to preserve my sanity.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 07:19 am (UTC)
HEE! I can SO see you doing that!

Though he does sometimes hate it when he is right, like in the Little Dancing Men. But he throws himself into action hoping he will be in time and then says, 'Alas, Watson, too late!' and it's always over people he has met and been charmed by, usually a woman or a child …

I think I'll probably give it a go, but am most likely to pretend he was named after Sherlock Holmes and thus has issues ;-)
kayoko: pic#118735874kayoko on December 20th, 2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
I've been watching Elementary and enjoy it. It definitely grew on me, but doesn't move/shock me like BBC Sherlock.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 07:11 am (UTC)
From the sounds of the wise flist, it seems it is a much better show than the ads let on, so I will give it a go!
subtlefiresubtlefire on December 20th, 2012 11:04 pm (UTC)
If you hate a wonderful new take on a very old and repeatedly done character; a very intelligent, emotionally mature woman who is really good at her job; subtle yet oftentimes hilarious humor; numerous instances of gender!win and race!win instead of the EPIC FAILS of the BBC version; and the steady growth of what we can see will be a wonderful friendship and partnership, then yes - you will hate Elementary.

I admit, I side-eyed the show when I first heard about it, but when all of the anti-American bullshit followed I did some unfriending and vowed to watch it. I am very glad I did. I will admit that the show's creator is not the best writer, so please stick with it past the first two episodes, and it will get a lot better. I'm not saying it doesn't still have its problems, but the positives are worth it to me by far. I look forward to it every week. I will end my plug there :)

Also, red peppers are revolting and I think you should definitely find out the damage they can do to rude holiday crowds.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 07:10 am (UTC)
That sounds great! Alas, the adverts they have been showing for it here are for a programme that looks nothing like that, which may just mean that I will end up liking the show and hating the adverts.

Taking it to America doesn't bother me at all; Conan Doyle was very keen on Americans and has loads of them in his Holmes stories and more in his fantasy and sci fi books. What upset me in the ads was the fetishisation of British Holmes in an American context, though from what you say, it could well be that the adverts are nothing like the show: fingers crossed! Still, I don't see why it couldn't be all-American, which would make more sense! New York is certainly a dense enough metropolis to be the sort of city ACD thought you needed for a Holmes!

Red peppers are DELICIOUS! You should let me eat them all for you! (Though they are also admirably aerodynamic …)
subtlefiresubtlefire on December 22nd, 2012 12:45 am (UTC)
I had no idea that Doyle wrote in the sci fi and fantasy realm as well; I really have to remedy that.

I have to say, it pleases me greatly to see so much positive Elementary talk from your other commenters. The only discourse I've really been able to find has been on Television Without Pity, and it's not quite the same as fandom.

Oh, I forgot that roasted red pepper hummus is quite acceptable. Save enough for me, and you can do what you like with the rest.

bk7brokemybrainbk7brokemybrain on December 21st, 2012 01:28 am (UTC)
Hm. I wasn't too sure at first, but it's growing on me. They are focusing heavily on the addict facet of his makeup. I really wasn't happy that the writers shoved Sherlock's sexuality(???) in our faces before we even meet him (a bit of mystery please? No? Thanks, writers). The crimes/plots weren't very complicated (I knew whodunnit one week before I even knew there was a murder), and they play fast and loose with locations and relative distances in NYC which is surprisingly annoying to me. Jonny Lee Miller pulls a lot of faces and Sherlock is very non-fastidious in his hygiene, so it just annoys me how far they took this version from canon, or even the BBC version.
That said I keep watching every week. The mysteries are improving, the Holmes/Watson relationship has been pretty solid, I love the leads (Aidan Quinn is a good second to Rupert Graves as far as silver foxes go), and the addiction issues are intriguing. Watson had been hired on a limited basis as his sober companion, so I'll be interested to see how they manage to keep her with Sherlock.
I'd give it a go. It's not the gem that the BBC version is, but it's good enough.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 07:02 am (UTC)
The BBC one is up and down, but when it is up, it is very very up! Interesting that Watson is a hired companion, the equality of their relationship has always been the key, so it will be intriguing to see how that works.

I know what you mean about locations: both London and Sydney-based programmes have scene one 15km from scene two, when characters are meant to have walked there in three minutes ;-)
Hollyhollyxu on December 21st, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
Huh. Watson's actually super sassy and takes none of Holmes's bs, and my favourite thing about the show. Give it a chance?
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 06:54 am (UTC)
I will, based ENTIRELY on the recs from you and other flistees, because, seriously,the ads for it here make it look as though Watson is a feeble weeble who exists only to go 'Oh wow, Holmes, you're AWESOME!', which was why I was expecting to hate it. Now I will just hate the ads!
Ali: Martin Freemanalicambs on December 21st, 2012 08:58 am (UTC)
No idea, but I have no desire to watch an American version of British icons because I get sick of American TV taking British things and remaking them in their own image! Ooops, sorry, got on my high horse there! :-)

As to the end of the world, at least in NZ we'll be the first to know about it!
blamebramptonblamebrampton on December 21st, 2012 10:21 am (UTC)
I read somewhere they were going to remake Go Girls, which just won't work at all! I'm not sure why they do this, as Americans are generally very good at dealing with other cultures' stories, but for some reason TV people act as though they're not.

And here we are at 9.20pm, still fine!