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20 November 2012 @ 09:12 pm
Lavender Brown  
Poll #1879931 Schrodinger's Lavender

I believe that in the final scenes of Deathly Hallows, Lavender Brown is:

Dead, having fallen from the balcony as per the book.
12(13.5%)
Dead, having been attacked by Greyback, as per the film.
5(5.6%)
Alive, because surely JKR would have included her among the named dead, and Ron would have at least looked a little bit sad.
72(80.9%)
 
 
 
Susanlil_shepherd on November 20th, 2012 10:17 am (UTC)
Not that I actually care you understand...
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 10:19 am (UTC)
One Won-Won too many to retain your sympathies? ;-)
(no subject) - lil_shepherd on November 20th, 2012 10:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - blamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 10:29 am (UTC) (Expand)
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(no subject) - blamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 11:33 am (UTC) (Expand)
Janey Procrastinatorjaney_p on November 20th, 2012 10:46 am (UTC)
Heh, I actually never read or watched the last book/movie. All I know about it was from summaries and fanfics, so whatever I know is probably not all that accurate.
Seems like I need to educate myself ASAP. ;)
Other than that, I've never paid her much attention as soon as it became clear she wouldn't be a permanent fixture in Ron's life. :D
So, without actually clicking an option in the poll and in favor of "the less war casualties the better" I say she should survive. ;)
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 10:53 am (UTC)
When in doubt, Lavender lives! I like it! The book and film are both good, though read the book first. Neville's story there is awesome!
(no subject) - janey_p on November 20th, 2012 11:34 am (UTC) (Expand)
E McGeemelusinahp on November 20th, 2012 11:03 am (UTC)
"'No!' shrieked Hermione, and with a deafening blast from her wand Fenrir Greyback was thrown backward from the feebly stirring body of Lavender Brown."

I reckon if JKR had wanted to indicate she was killed with certainty she would have said something like "still and dead" instead of "feebly stirring".
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
I think the same; she's definitely alive at that point, and I do think that JKR would have revisited her for extra pathos if she subsequently carked it, though I won't say that it's certain she survives the book, just most likely in my opinion. I am certain Greyback didn't kill her, though. *Gives HP Wiki a greasy look*
(no subject) - melusinahp on November 20th, 2012 11:17 am (UTC) (Expand)
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宝井かりん: CFC - Keep the blue flagflying hightakarai_karin on November 20th, 2012 11:22 am (UTC)
I went with 'lived', because the less dead kids there is, the better.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 11:35 am (UTC)
I like your rationale!
Amanuensis: Dammit Lupin!amanuensis1 on November 20th, 2012 11:23 am (UTC)
Filmverse: Dead. Bookverse: A case can be made for dead, but I think JKR would have listed her among the dead if she were.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 11:38 am (UTC)
That's what I think.

The film people were just bloodthirsty!
prone to mischieftreacle_tartlet on November 20th, 2012 11:25 am (UTC)
As I said, the Harry Potter Lexicon says she lives, and I'd trust it as a resource more than the Wiki.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 11:41 am (UTC)
In Lexicon We Trust!

(If Jo subsequently offs her in the alleged Encylcopaedia, we will have words! (and by 'words', I mean cross LJ posts …))
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(no subject) - treacle_tartlet on November 21st, 2012 10:11 am (UTC) (Expand)
bk7brokemybrainbk7brokemybrain on November 20th, 2012 11:58 am (UTC)
She was attacked/slobbered over by Greyback at the very least in addition to her fall. In the movie, they also showed that shot of Trelawny covering a body and saying 'she's dead', so I assumed that was the movie killing off Lavender Brown, one of her favorite students and sycophants.
I'd like to leave it open to her living, though, perhaps with werewolf scars and traits like Bill Weasley. I don't mind a fluffy character dying horribly, but it's nice not to fight canon when you need a classmate alive later.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:26 pm (UTC)
He was going for her, though Hermione may have thwapped him in time (setting him up for the Crystal Ball of Death, which remains my favourite method of Bad Guy Dispatch ;-))

I quite like the idea of her living with after-effects, it seems the most probable to me.
(no subject) - bk7brokemybrain on November 20th, 2012 03:13 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Cheryl Dysondysonrules on November 20th, 2012 12:03 pm (UTC)
Faith has her alive in a fic and she's my Canoncyclopedia, so I'm going with ALIVE for twenty points, Bob. FINAL ANSWER.

:D
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
I'm reasonably sure she's alive, though would also accept dead from falling as a reasonable answer with canon evidence, as I don't think it's clear cut either way. I reject the HP Wikia's death by werewolf, though!
Hueyphoenixacid on November 20th, 2012 12:07 pm (UTC)
Aliiiiiiive! JKR would have mentioned her death if she's dead, I think. Movieverse canon is separate from HP canon to me.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:28 pm (UTC)
I am in agreement with your reasoning!
welcome to villa cariño!capitu on November 20th, 2012 12:43 pm (UTC)
I think she's alive. I've read too many fanfics where she's alive and scarred to change my mind now. Plus, she would have been named among the dead. I'm sure of it. JKR would never do something so ambiguous and leave us with the doubt. Oh wait...
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:29 pm (UTC)
HEEE! Yes, you can't trust her, the wily old author! You capture my conundrum nicely, though like you, I tend to fall on the alive side of the question.
(no subject) - capitu on November 20th, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - blamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
maevemistmaevemist on November 20th, 2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
I voted for number 3 for the simple reason that I occasionally like to have a visually scared female character live a full and productive life. Having been inflicted with obvious facial scaring my entire life it's nice to have a character find love, acceptance and happiness despite not being a supermodel.

Of course, we still have book Hermione, Pansy and Millicent at the very least to fill that role if Lavender is in fact; dead.

Please excuse my horrendous punctuation. I always feel terribly nervous commenting when I feel proper grammar is a necessity. *blushes and hides*
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
There is no necessity for proper grammar here. Typos are always welcome, too! And for crying out loud, you can spell grammar, which puts you well ahead of the pack!

As to your comment – Exactly! I've ripped my face off (well, the road did) and still had plenty of action with an asymmetrical nose and forehead dent. Pretty is not defined by perfection: it's not even really defined by the physical (aside from physical representations of things like happiness and health), but that's a bigger discussion than a comment reply.

Oh balls, now I really want to write scarred Lavender into the fic I am working on at the moment and can't. NEXT fic!
inamac: Plotbunnyinamac on November 20th, 2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
It pretty much depends on what I want her to be when I'm writing fic. Fandom seems to have passed up a good opportunity to have a continuing disabled wizard character though. 'Alive and permanently crippled' seems like an interesting alternative.
blamebramptonblamebrampton on November 20th, 2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of her with a stick, which she could use to hook the legs of passing young men.

Well into her 80s.
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(no subject) - alisanne on November 20th, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC) (Expand)
something clevershantismurf on November 20th, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
Alive and a werewolf!
Keeper of the Superfluous Es!themostepotente on November 20th, 2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
Alive and scarred from her attack I would imagine.
Sharioncelikeshari on November 20th, 2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
I was sure she was dead after I read the book and then everybody else was all 'No, she's not one of the dead'.

I've ticked both boxes, she fell and she was attacked while injured. I read it as Greyback was doing his creepy thing with a dying girl.

For me it was showing that Greyback was so evil he was mauling dead children.
lee: bound - f modelsnegurochka_lee on November 20th, 2012 07:56 pm (UTC)
My vote is also for alive and wolfy, because fandom NEEDS a wolfy female character to balance all the Remus-and-Bill-eating-raw-meat stuff, and I adore the idea of wolfy!Lavender getting her groove on. :D
Sarah: Nice Hair, Clever, Has Her Own Gun: Leevenderthenotoriousso4 on November 20th, 2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
I personally love Lavender (for RP and fandom reasons) and I've always sided with what is written in the book, so to me she lives. That's the last we heard of her, so Amen.
theodoraleft on November 21st, 2012 12:43 am (UTC)
Definitely alive, because a theme of the book is also about "being saved by your supposed enemies", hence it is Hermione who saves Lavender. Or maybe alive because that's what I want to think and the older I get the more I need happy endings, pathetically.
Hollyhollyxu on November 21st, 2012 04:30 am (UTC)
People survive falling off balconies, right?? If there's no mention, and really, a year-mate of H/R/Hr who actually had a significant role in one of the books would definitely score a mention.

*whistles*
Sivaroobini: Marauderssirius_luva on November 24th, 2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
As Ron's ex-girlfriend and their year-mate and friend I'm sure JKR would have mentioned her death. Plus, as someone else pointed out, in the book she's feebly stirring versus dead. So yeah, I'm damn sure she's alive, and I like to believe she was alive but seriously wounded in the movie too (though was it her whom Trelawney was covering and declaring dead?).

Odd fact: Lavender Brown is black in the first five movies, then suddenly played by white Jessie Cave in the sixth and seventh. ><